Knight of the Laughing Tree: how did Jon Snow's parents meet?

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  • Twenty years before Game of Thrones, the biggest party in Westeros was held at Harrenhal - with Starks, Targaryens and Daynes in attendance. Who was the mysterious knight who fought for a young crannogman?
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  • Vilkku
    Vilkku 2 năm trước +4920

    Me at the beginning: Such a random little tale, why make a video about it?
    Me at the end: Holy shit, this story started the events of Game of Thrones.

  • Trvrr Zbsky
    Trvrr Zbsky Giờ trước

    it would make sense for the kinght to be a woman when covered to hide identity

  • Sir Fluffbutt
    Sir Fluffbutt 8 giờ trước

    "...first we're given an obvious answer"

    Like, when Roose Bolton died, stabbed by his bastard, but in reality he was poisoned by his enemies?

  • Splash University
    Splash University 12 giờ trước

    What about brian of Tarth???? Rewatch the episode where she bests the sir loras

  • shibbyxoxo
    shibbyxoxo Ngày trước

    MIND BLOWN. I LOVE THIS

  • Anna Castro
    Anna Castro Ngày trước

    I might be a suck, but I wish Rhaegar and Lyanna didn't die D: I know the story would obviously be completely different, but the story sounds so damn hot. Partly because Rhaegar looked like a cutie

  • Luqman Abdi
    Luqman Abdi Ngày trước

    This is the most incredible story of GOT ever amazing video

  • Roei Linzen
    Roei Linzen 7 ngày trước

    they gave strength to his arm
    bitch plz, i get my strength in my arm every evening

  • nathan brooks
    nathan brooks 8 ngày trước

    Fits well with what you mentioned at the start, foreshadowing what overthrew the Targaeryan reign, thats why the Mad King hated the knight. Perhaps whispers in his ear from Bran or Bloodraven.

  • Gindranis
    Gindranis 9 ngày trước

    Going full tinfoil hat here:
    Bran warged Lyanna to be the KotLT

  • Nehan Khan
    Nehan Khan 9 ngày trước

    I thought Aegon targereon was the son of lyanna and rhaegar? The one varys and Illyria want on the throne?

  • idonotknowanynames
    idonotknowanynames 10 ngày trước +2

    Regardless of how the books play out, Bran will definitely do some time traveling to change big events (bran builder?). .... Quite unlike season 8

  • it's me
    it's me 10 ngày trước

    I think it should be Howland... Howland becomes pretty capable seeing as only him and Ned survived the battle against the Arthur Dayne, Oswell Whent, and Gerold Hightower. That is a feat greater than Jousting I think.

  • Jomearl Anne Buce
    Jomearl Anne Buce 10 ngày trước

    I love this.thank u.

  • JuicySnails
    JuicySnails 12 ngày trước

    Every single little thing started the game of thrones tbh

  • BicycleJoe LoFiSoundAndVision
    BicycleJoe LoFiSoundAndVision 12 ngày trước

    What kind of prescription medication do your doctors recommend most

  • Yoan Bousquet
    Yoan Bousquet 15 ngày trước

    great vid!

  • elwynbrooks
    elwynbrooks 16 ngày trước +1

    I mean "it's out of his character" is a better reason for the knight to be masked and mysterious than not. I don't think that discounts Ned

  • Ben Vincze
    Ben Vincze 17 ngày trước

    Your videos are like the Vsauce of ASOIAF

  • Manuel Cubilete
    Manuel Cubilete 19 ngày trước

    Just watching this now, but I’m sold on Lyanna being the knight. Assuming you put this together on your own, it was a well put together theory. It makes sense (to me) that a girl would be the mystery knight since there should be no other reason for the knight to hide their identity.

  • Tedesco
    Tedesco 19 ngày trước +3

    Turns out it was actually Quaithe, as usual

  • JediQueer
    JediQueer 22 ngày trước +1

    I mean... I feel like it was always implied that it was Lyanna who did it, from the start. Lyanna rescues him at the start, Lyanna wants him to stand up for himself, she's described as a "She-Wolf" and from what we know about her is a lot like Arya, and the idea of Rhaegar being sent after the night only to discover it was Lyanna Stark creates a nice start to their relationship. I never got the impression it was supposed to be Howland.

  • Sarah Robinson
    Sarah Robinson 23 ngày trước +1

    And here we are knowing what we know now! I have zero doubt that the Knight of the Laughing Tree was Lyanna Stark. She defended Howland Reed's honor and in return he kept the secret of Jon Snow's true identity all these years. It works out perfectly as he is the only living person that can confirm Jon Snow's identity. We also now have Arya, that like her Aunt Lyanna was a badass!! Now I want to see how Bran as the Three-Eyed Raven ties in to all of this. All of his visions that were shown to him by the original 3ER were very intentional! They showed him ways/lessons on how the truth/memories can be altered. Lyanna was amazing like Arya, but because they were women no one suspected them (to be the Knight of the Laughing Tree or to kill the Night King). Seeing what happened to Hodor was a lesson about how meddling in the present while in the past can still alter history. The Tower of Joy had a few lessons. One was how people remember things vs. how they really happen - Ned killing Dayne and becoming a legend, when it was actually Reed that saved him. Two being the part where Bran called out to his father and he paused and turned around. The second time Bran goes back to the vision he doesn't call out his father's name, but his father still stops and turns around. I think these lessons helped Bran/3ER learn how to put Arya in a position to be trained to become "No One" and to sneak up on the Night King without him seeing it coming. We were all distracted by prophesies that better fit other characters while Bran/3ER was manipulating Arya's destiny all along.

  • Oscar Wind
    Oscar Wind 25 ngày trước +1

    Yup all the partys i go to we talk about overthrowing the government

  • Oni das Alagoas
    Oni das Alagoas 26 ngày trước +1

    1/4 of the video in and I'm sure it is the She-Wolf Stark.

  • BezukaKing
    BezukaKing 26 ngày trước

    If AsoiaF happened "normally", do you think Bran would have married a Manderly girl?

  • spOwOky ・
    spOwOky ・ 26 ngày trước +2

    idk who’s edgier benjen or ned

  • Corruption Fighter
    Corruption Fighter 27 ngày trước

    i agree that the knight of the laughing tree could have been lyanna since she beat off those three squires on her own...bad to the bone.
    something just came to mind after watching a recap and i am wondering if drogon was pregnant or seeking out other dragons in asshai because there was a time that danearys hadnt seen him for quite some time when she was in mureen and the other two were pissed with her and wouldnt let her really come near them, so something happened that drogon was gone for such a long time
    also eddard knew that lyanna was a great warrior and when he saw arya as capable and even that look on his face when he saw her learning to fight with serio he may have thought about his sister at that moment

  • ZkyRock A
    ZkyRock A 27 ngày trước +3

    Howland Reed never told his child about the Robert rebellion because he feel he was the one responsible of Robert rebellion if he didnt bullied lyanna will not become the knight of the laughing tree and rhaegar will not fall in love with lyanna and entar rebellion will not happen

  • Danielle
    Danielle 28 ngày trước

    I still don’t understand how Bran was responsible for Hodor.

  • timeforringydingy
    timeforringydingy 28 ngày trước +3

    Howland Reed may be a better Knight of The North than we even have any idea of...

  • Caleb Mealer
    Caleb Mealer 28 ngày trước

    I’d say that Ned helped Lyanna put her plan into action. It explains why Howland likes Ned after the tourney, but also let’s Lyanna be the one who actually does it. Ned loved his sister, so would obviously help her in her quest.
    Ned and the brothers could’ve helped her gather the armor and shield and thus plan the seed for Robert’s Rebellion.

  • Ali. Ali.
    Ali. Ali. 29 ngày trước

    One thing I really don't like is that, producers always pick "little, fragile girl" and try to make her "warrior kind". Be reasonable. If Lyana was kind of "strong and boyish", her body should follow it.
    The only "character" I would tell is "correct" is Lady Brian, where she was really shown as "strong" woman.
    And I don't tell, Lyana should be the "bodybuilder", but her body should follow basic physic rights: no muscles = no strength.

  • Olajumoke Olaniyan
    Olajumoke Olaniyan Tháng trước +1

    Listening to you is oddly satisfying.

  • alluvermin
    alluvermin Tháng trước +9

    Well now I feel super bad for Ashara ):

  • Lynianore
    Lynianore Tháng trước

    i swear hodor was walder, not willis

  • Tawfiq Ahmed
    Tawfiq Ahmed Tháng trước

    2 years later you couldn't be more right

  • Salamander Man
    Salamander Man Tháng trước +1

    I think GOT producers are looking at your theories

  • Haleem Awlia
    Haleem Awlia Tháng trước

    “Mmmaggic!” Love how you say the word lol

  • William Richards
    William Richards Tháng trước +2

    If they were going to do a spin off series, a Roberts rebellion tale starting with these events could be really great.

  • sweetpea
    sweetpea Tháng trước

    I REALLY hope we get the Knight of the Laughing Tree vision in Season 8!!!!! Do u think we will??? (And I 100% agree it’s lyanna & how she met Rhaegar)❤️

  • YEZ
    YEZ Tháng trước +3

    12:19 damn man you’re psychic I swear

  • vickram aditya
    vickram aditya Tháng trước

    The pup? 😂

  • M LG
    M LG Tháng trước

    I’d love a new series centered around those four Starks siblings.

  • Benjamin Raskin
    Benjamin Raskin Tháng trước

    I hope bran has a vision of this story

  • TWSTF 8
    TWSTF 8 Tháng trước +1

    Shouldn't it be; "R+L=A"?
    (As opposed to; "R+L=J"?)
    I'm just sayin'.
    If it's some big, "truth," that Rhaegar and Lyanna were actually in love, doesn't it make more sense to continue the whole, "truth," concept, by being accurate about the real name of their child?!
    I mean, Everyone was told, so they thought that his name was Jon.
    And everyone was told, so they thought that he was Ned Stark's bastard, and so the, "common wisdom," was that his name was Jon Snow.
    But, Everyone was also told, and so they thought, that Rhaegar abducted and raped Lyanna.
    But, if it's actually been proven true that he is the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna, and that his name is really Aegon Targaryen, shouldn't we all be saying;
    R+L=A?

    • Wizard Summoner
      Wizard Summoner 22 ngày trước

      No, just no. The name for the theory was coined when we had no info on Jon's parents. There's not a point to change the name now, it only adds more confusion. And the show is just fanfiction at this point, so I wouldn't take Jon's name for granted yet.

  • Liam Mckenna
    Liam Mckenna Tháng trước

    Lol the strongest 15 year old girl in history wouldn’t be able to even hold a lance

  • K.james Carters
    K.james Carters Tháng trước +2

    In the books this is fantastic...in the show it may get a one minute flashback. Not many hours left and a lot of questions to answer

  • dankie poo
    dankie poo 2 tháng trước

    the knight of the laughing tree is actually Ryan Gosling from the future who warged into Rhaegar Targaryen and then wanted to try out his jousting skills on three snotty brats. Ryan won that, but what people don't know is that Heath Ledger actually warged into Rhaegar for the real tourney. he ended up winning it all and today we have a movie that is loosely based on Heath warging into the past - A Knight's Tale.

  • Bobby The Blizzard
    Bobby The Blizzard 2 tháng trước

    I’m hungry.

  • Isaac lopez
    Isaac lopez 2 tháng trước +1

    I’ll be waiting every single day to see Lyanna saving Howlan Reeds ass and then riding a dragon in the same day!!!

  • NOimTaty
    NOimTaty 2 tháng trước

    Did anyone fucking realize he basically predicted Season 7 ending before it happened.... Just me??? Oh okay

  • nicci penn
    nicci penn 2 tháng trước

    Lyana is the laughing knight. That's how she met the Prince. He fell in love with her and that why he gave he the 💐.

  • Matt Sleeter
    Matt Sleeter 2 tháng trước

    One other piece of evidence that points to it being Lyanna: the Reeds are surprised that Ned never mentioned the story to Bran. Ned knows it was Lyanna but buries all the memories of her deep to protect the promise he made to her: keep Jon Snow safe. Also, to Howland Reed it was just a cool thing that happened to him, but to Ned it was the start of a tragedy that would end in the deaths of basically his entire family.

  • Tommy Tomorrow
    Tommy Tomorrow 3 tháng trước

    It was Brynden Rivers the Bloodraven. Reed prayed to the old gods, to the laughing tree and Bloodraven responded warging into Reed and creating the circumstances which would bring Bran to him and Jon Snow into the world. That could be at least one reason Aerys II was afraid of the mysterious knight (besides being crazy).

  • Jorge Chávez
    Jorge Chávez 3 tháng trước

    But how was Benjen too young to compete and Lyanna wasnt? Benjen was 14 (almost a man grown) and Lyanna 15, and that makes her strong enough to compete and unhorse 3 full grown knights? I dont think so. And what about the booming voice?

  • SSJR Goku-Black
    SSJR Goku-Black 3 tháng trước

    Bran or Brynden don't need to see through the eyes of a Weirwood, they're just sorta like training wheels.

  • kendalf 2
    kendalf 2 3 tháng trước

    its obviously hot pie

  • Oscar Fernandez
    Oscar Fernandez 3 tháng trước

    it was true

  • Garl Jo'ens
    Garl Jo'ens 4 tháng trước

    Of all the people making these theory videos, yours are the best. Very good, precise and multi-faceted analysis! Thank you!

  • ¿ Paperthinreality ?
    ¿ Paperthinreality ? 4 tháng trước

    Ahh, the good ol’ days of highschool house parties... Discussing overthrowing governments over games of beer pong

  • Elfie Phillips Long
    Elfie Phillips Long 4 tháng trước

    I've only just discovered all of these amazing videos (and I'm in love), but I'm starting to realise how incredible the fans of GoT are... In the video, you mention a theory some fans came up with about how Lyanna and Rhaegar could have gotten married on the conveniently close Isle of Faces, all so that Bran would be able to have a vision about it in the future etc. etc., and now, after finished all of GoT up until S07, I know that's ACTUALLY WHAT HAPPENED. Similar things have happened in other videos where you talk about or mention fan theories and they end up being relatively, if not almost completely, accurate. GoT fans are SO GODDAMN SMART!!

  • *xai*
    *xai* 4 tháng trước

    It was Lyanna.

  • GoldenBadger
    GoldenBadger 4 tháng trước

    Basically Tournament of Harrenhaal was the final moment of serenity before massive piles of dragon shit hit the fans.

  • The Double Nickel
    The Double Nickel 4 tháng trước

    Agree about Lyanna; but, the Bran theory? There’s no evidence I can think of that would allow Bran to use Old Magic to enhance his physical skills when he wargs. If I remember correctly he can only use the physical traits present: Summer’s wolf-senses, Hodor’s strength, etc. However, Bran can only use them to HIS ability/experience. I would argue that because he never grew to learn and be proficient at riding and jousting, using Howland’s past-self aaa the Laughing Knight would be moot.

  • Alisdair Reid
    Alisdair Reid 4 tháng trước

    "You never heard this tale from your father?" "Your lord father never told it to you?"
    Ned has been consistently taciturn with all matters Lyanna. Why not with this tale too?

  • C3- KO
    C3- KO 4 tháng trước +1

    ... and howland was small
    “he was small”

  • Beatorama
    Beatorama 4 tháng trước

    Tbh even though I was giving my dibs off to Lyanna being the knight, the future theory is pretty convincing too.

  • Ben Agaran
    Ben Agaran 4 tháng trước

    Jon's parents, Benjen and Lyanna Stark met at Winterfell where they grew up together.

  • Jakeshapedworld
    Jakeshapedworld 5 tháng trước

    Lyanna sounds like the coolest character in the series but she’s not even...IN the series

  • Corey Knight
    Corey Knight 5 tháng trước

    I personally think there was something between Rhaegar and Lyanna before this tournament. I think the two were seriously bummed because Aerys had now hooked Rhaegar up with the Martell babe and that the song he sings was secretly an ode to the forbidden love between Rhaegar and Lyanna. That would explain why Lyanna cried when she heard it. I think Rhaegar might have guessed who the knight of the laughing tree was and maybe he actually volunteered for the search to keep Lyanna safe from his father or just to spend some time alone together.

  • Funwithaball
    Funwithaball 5 tháng trước

    Why does rhaegar look like thor lol

  • Scott Alexander
    Scott Alexander 5 tháng trước

    I love your videos! Huge ASOIAF fan! Books are a million times better than the shows!

  • Jordan Byles
    Jordan Byles 5 tháng trước

    The whole rebellion started from a young girl defending a little boy.

  • mushy
    mushy 5 tháng trước

    The laughing tree was egg. He squired for Sir Dunk the tall from knight of the seven kingdoms. All he had to do was get a face painted on his shield. But perhaps not he would be like 60+ at this point. Idk

  • kristopher barker
    kristopher barker 5 tháng trước

    When I first heard this story, my first thought was 'Yeah, that's Lyanna.'

  • alex nounesis
    alex nounesis 5 tháng trước

    what if bran warged into lyanna

  • alex nounesis
    alex nounesis 5 tháng trước +1

    just say it already
    it was lyanna
    rhaegar saw her in the tent, got mad in love even more both of them
    rhaegar lied to aerys about not finding the knight
    end

  • Daniel Meeker
    Daniel Meeker 5 tháng trước

    Bran warging into Howland doesn't work -- remember in S01, Bran can't even hit a target with an arrow at close range.
    I like the Lyanna/Laughing Tree theory much better.

  • Titantro
    Titantro 5 tháng trước

    Jon is Ned Stark and Ashara Daynes son. R+L=J is to easy for Game of Thrones. The show did it the books is not gonna have the same twist

    • Titantro
      Titantro 5 tháng trước

      +kristopher barker Thats true but they never said what they answared. And George could have lied to not spoil his book. Ore they went with R+L=J because it was the easy way and most know

    • kristopher barker
      kristopher barker 5 tháng trước

      When they wanted to make the show, GRRM asked them who Jon's mother is, and they got it right.

  • Dio Falkner
    Dio Falkner 5 tháng trước

    And well, if wasn't for the Mad King Jon would never've been born. He wasn't such a total bad person after all xDDDD!!!

  • Dio Falkner
    Dio Falkner 5 tháng trước

    5:55 You talk a lot of shit euro-faggot, lots of weak guys beat stronger ones in this. And Its not about stature but technique dumbfuck.

  • Dio Falkner
    Dio Falkner 5 tháng trước

    Its Lyanna Stark, case solved. Thumb up and save 15 mins of your life.

  • F is the bomb
    F is the bomb 5 tháng trước

    Isnt that usually teenage girl much taller than teenage boy ,u all have that sister or girl that they taller than u and all of ur friends

  • Ezra Daßer
    Ezra Daßer 5 tháng trước

    Jesus how they fucked the role of young Eddard Stark

  • WimpyMcWeaksauce
    WimpyMcWeaksauce 5 tháng trước +2

    After spending an awful lot of time praying to the Old Gods, Howland Reed proceeded to indirectly cause the conception of Jon Snow, then later "defended" him right after his birth. Years later, he sends his only two heirs to assist Bran on his journey to replace the Three-Eyed Raven. In the books, his very presence in the Neck prevents the Lannisters from ever trying to go further North than the Riverlands. Tywin considers it to be suicidal, and it's so obvious that everyone rightly assumes the North is safe from any ground invasion from the South.
    Any time this guy leaves his swamp to do something, big things happen. Hell, he doesn't even have to lift a finger to have a big impact on the wars around him. Speaking of wars, both The Neck and Vale are right beside each other, and neither location has seen much combat. The soldiers there are still plentiful, and aren't starving or wounded. After all this horrible violence, both the Knights of the Vale and crannogmen might be considered the "last men standing."
    For such an important character, it's strange that Howland Reed still hasn't shown up in either the books or show. GRRM has promised that Reed will "eventually" show his face. With Jaime Lannister about to pass through Reed's territory in the final season, it just might happen. After all, Robb Stark sent Reed an order to never let a Lannister through The Neck. But I doubt he'll kill Jaime on sight.
    The Tournament at Harrenhal might be shown as a flashback in Season 8, or perhaps Jaime and Reed will recount the tale as a fond memory of their youth. After all, they were both present, and directly involved in the two biggest developments that began the downfall of the Targaryens.

  • gingerg85
    gingerg85 5 tháng trước

    Ashara Dayne video, please!

  • Lag Swag
    Lag Swag 5 tháng trước

    I fucking LOVE this theory, i hope Lyanna was the knight and we see it in a flashback.

  • Dogemacht42
    Dogemacht42 5 tháng trước +1

    I don’t think it was Lyanna. Theres just no way a 15 year old girl could joust that good. That lance they carry is heavy as hell. Plus all the armor, and hitting another knight, even if you don’t knock him off has some serious recoil. It probably was Bran trolling Time again. :P

  • Kardel Faerie
    Kardel Faerie 6 tháng trước

    Wait, where did you hear about the Mad King sending Rhaegar to find the KOTL? I remember he sent Robert Baratheon and not Rhaegar.

  • Paul King
    Paul King 6 tháng trước

    I just can’t really believe that a 15 year old girl could get out a booming voice from a steel helmet.
    It just seems really stupid compared to everything else in it.

  • Kenny Craig
    Kenny Craig 6 tháng trước

    Well..............You Frealking Nailed it.

  • Orion Hammerfall
    Orion Hammerfall 6 tháng trước

    "All that heavy Old Testament sorta shit" lol

  • Aki Bro
    Aki Bro 6 tháng trước +2

    This truly completes the Rhaegar video..

  • Potato Fairy Gaming
    Potato Fairy Gaming 6 tháng trước

    George needs to write faster

  • Bjørn Gere
    Bjørn Gere 6 tháng trước

    Could be fun to see a flashback to the great tourney at harrenhal and see the quarter finals, semi finals and the finals and what happnd directly after

  • George Cross
    George Cross 7 tháng trước

    Say what you will, but I think Jojen Reed was the Knight. While it is the simplest answer, it seems that the point was the inspire Bran a bit. It was most likely a bit exaggerated over the years, but I think they told the story to Bran just to inspire him.

  • dustin Hutchinson
    dustin Hutchinson 7 tháng trước

    First off, I love the video. I have a theory and I'm dying to get feedback from someone who is a little more versed in the books than me. Either to prove it wrong or give more evidence it could be true.
    So I believe everything in this video besides the bit at the end when Bran wargs into Howland, only because it conflicts with my thoery. Harrenhal being very important in the future events, Lyanna being the knight of the laughing tree and also Rhaegar later finding her. But I think there's another big piece to this theory. Howland Reed after his visit to the Isle of Faces. Meera talks of someone visiting the Isle of faces and it's speculated that it was Howland. They don't talk about what he learns or sees during his visit, but I think he learns from the Children of the forest (comparable to how Rhaegar learned from a witch from her songs) and learns of the prophecy of the Prince who was promised (PWWP).
    So we know Howland, Lyanna, and Benjen spend time together at Harrenhal. She helps him with the knight's squires and later encourages him to defend himself in the tourney. Although it's thought to be Lyanna who does this for him. What if Howland learns of the prophecy and tells his friends Lyanna and Benjen? After defeating the knights Lyanna runs off and is later found by Rhaegar. The prophecy comes up when they're talking and Rhaegar who is obsessed with this prophecy then believes they must have a child to fulfill it. So at Harrenhal Howland tells Lyanna and Benjen of this prophecy he learns of and then Lyanna later talks with Rhaegar and they become convinced that they will have the PWWP.
    So the three part ways ready to play their parts. Lyanna later elopes with Rhaegar and gets married and has baby Aegon. Rhaegar heads off to the Trident and leaves the white swords to look after Lyanna until Ned arrives. Ned who isn't told of this prophecy because surely the honorable Ned Stark would not like the idea of Lyanna running off and eloping when she's already betrothed to his friend Robert because of some wild story. So Ned only learns of what they planned when he finds Lyanna and her baby and keeps his word to his sister. Lyanna names her baby Aegon, so it seems likely she knew of the prophecy.
    Rhaegar claims Lyanna the queen of love and beauty and gives her favorite flower (possibly referencing the story of the Bael the Bard with the blue rose and "stealing" of a Stark girl story) and ruins all of his carefully laid plans to take over as king because his father is mad. He angers all of his potential allies and just abandons his plans? Why? What could be so important to ruin all of the plans, knowing full well it could lead to war? Maybe fulfilling the prophecy he's obsessed with is worth the risk.
    Howland returns and waits for his part in the prophecy. He goes with Ned to the tower of joy and most likely learns Jon Snows true parentage, if he didn't already know from going to the Isle of Faces. He returns home again and the next thing you hear about is that he sent Meera and Jojen to find Bran (as the winged wolf) to lead him to the 3 eyed raven. So he knew Bran had to make it to the 3 eyed raven to fulfill Brans destiny. Even Jojen knows he will die and still helps Bran.
    Benjen later joins the night's watch to play his part in the prophecy. He heads north of the wall, is attacked by white walkers, and is turned into cold hands by the children of the forest. He either learns more from the children or is taken to the 3 eyed crow / raven. He then knows he has to help Bran escape from the weirwood where the 3 eyed raven is and even says he will be ready when the Night king comes south. He leaves Bran with Meera and again knows he must help Jon Snow north of the wall.
    So all 4 people make life changing decisions knowing the implications for some reason. Howland just happens to be with Ned at the tower of joy and helps Ned. Benjen just happens to join the night's watch and then later knows he has to be at certain places north of the wall to help Bran and Jon. Rhaegar throws away his plans to become King, and Lyanna decides to blow off her betrothal to Robert and just happens to name her baby Aegon. It seems as if they all knew of the prophecy and made these wild decisions to fulfill it.
    Again I'd love some feedback and even challenges if I'm wrong. It just seems to be that these decisions didn't just come from no where and maybe something bigger was taking place. Let me know what you think.

  • Rory Triscuit
    Rory Triscuit 7 tháng trước +1

    *waits patiently for the suggestion it's Lyanna*
    YES, there it is! :D

  • szbszig
    szbszig 7 tháng trước

    The time travel theory is ridiculous. How the hell could Bran warg into Howland? He doesn't even know the man, never met him personally. That is a big difference between young Hodor, who was a friend of Bran, and him. Beside that, Howland never lost his sanity. Despite the fact that according to this theory Bran should have controlled him for hours, while Hodor was only controlled for minutes or so, and that left him immediately mentally handicapped. (Well, the latter happened only in the show so far, but Martin kinda confirmed, that something similar would play out in the books.)